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Nuts and Bolts HELP!! Specifically Front Fenders "Wings" & Transmission Cover

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jerburke Jeremy Burke
La Habra, CA, USA   USA
So my car literally has about 10 bolts holding it together. Ha!

Seriously though, someone put this car back together very poorly.
Every time I turn around, there's a surprise.
This will definitely NOT be the last time I ask about hardware, so I appreciate your patience in advance.

Anyhow, my current needs are with the Transmission Cover and the Front Fenders.
I was on the phone with The Roadster Factory. They told me there were 16 bolts/washers required for the Transmission cover. My question is what do they bolt into? Simply the fooorbard?

Regarding the Front Fenders... you can see from my pictures that most of my bolts are missing.
However, a few of the holes have speednuts, where some others do not. Should they all have speednuts?
It seemed the bolt kit from TRF didn't include speednuts of any kind.

Right now I'm just trying to "bolt" this car back together as a driver, with the intentions of a full restoration in the future.
But in doing so, I'd like to learn the proper way the car should be assembled.

Thanks!
Jeremy



1960 Triumph TR3A - Originally purchased new by my Grandfather
1929 Ford Coupe Hot Rod - Family Owned Since 1966
1929 Ford Roadster Pickup Hot Rod - Father/Son Project
2007 Toyota Fj Cruiser - Original Owner

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SASSAMON Silver Member Roger Colson
Ashland, MA, USA   USA
1957 Triumph TR3 "Bettie"
Jeremy,

The missing bolts originally were fastened to a type of blind nut called cage nuts. The cage nuts were welded to the floor or inner fender and allowed the bolt to be fastened from one side. Cage nuts are available from the major TR vendors. This photo is from Macys Garage:

There has been discussions on these forums about how well the cage holds the nut from different vendors. The last time I bought cage nuts was in 2001 from the Roadster factory and they worked quit well. I am sure other members will chime in on their experiences.

Best of luck with you TR3A,



Roger Colson
SASSAMON
1957TR3 TS21383L "Bettie"

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ArtL Art Liefke
Kings Park, New York, USA   USA
Macy's is supplying the weld nuts from McMaster-Carr. Macy's isn't marking them up that much, so it may not be worth it, as McMaster requires you buy ten at a time.

I've used those, and they are better than the originals. Also, if you don't feel like it, or can't weld them on, pop rivets work quite well. I had to pop-rivet a few, as access for welding in some places is all but impossible.



Art


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jerburke Jeremy Burke
La Habra, CA, USA   USA
Thanks guys.

So cage nuts?? I can handle that.

Safe to say that the speed nut shown under the fender in my last picture would be incorrect?

-Jeremy



1960 Triumph TR3A - Originally purchased new by my Grandfather
1929 Ford Coupe Hot Rod - Family Owned Since 1966
1929 Ford Roadster Pickup Hot Rod - Father/Son Project
2007 Toyota Fj Cruiser - Original Owner

TR3driver Randall Y
Confusion, Los Angeles, USA   USA
Yup, that's wrong. The original captive nuts were much simpler than the ones shown above, the cage only enclosed 5 sides of the nut. The sides were apt to spread and let the nut spin, very frustrating especially on the front fenders where some if them are inaccessible.

The ones I got from TRF some years back didn't fit very well, the nuts didn't fit inside the cages.



Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L daily driver
71 Stag LE1473L awaiting engine rebuild
7? Stag awaiting gearbox rebuild

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jerburke Jeremy Burke
La Habra, CA, USA   USA
Randall,

Did you end up using the ones from TRF? Or did you use something different.

-Jeremy



1960 Triumph TR3A - Originally purchased new by my Grandfather
1929 Ford Coupe Hot Rod - Family Owned Since 1966
1929 Ford Roadster Pickup Hot Rod - Father/Son Project
2007 Toyota Fj Cruiser - Original Owner

TR3driver Randall Y
Confusion, Los Angeles, USA   USA
No, I didn't use the ones from TRF. They're still in a box around here somewhere. I used a mixture of the ones from MMC (as shown above) and salvaging old ones from the wreck.

The ones I got from MMC didn't fit exactly the same as original, they had a raised lip around the opening for the bolt. I had to either cut off the lip, or enlarge the hole in the panel slightly for it to fit. No big deal, just thought I'd mention it.



Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L daily driver
71 Stag LE1473L awaiting engine rebuild
7? Stag awaiting gearbox rebuild

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jerburke Jeremy Burke
La Habra, CA, USA   USA
Thanks, Randall.

Appreciate the help.

-Jeremy



1960 Triumph TR3A - Originally purchased new by my Grandfather
1929 Ford Coupe Hot Rod - Family Owned Since 1966
1929 Ford Roadster Pickup Hot Rod - Father/Son Project
2007 Toyota Fj Cruiser - Original Owner

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bobstr3 Silver Member Bob Holt
Apache Junction, Arizona, USA   USA
1960 Triumph TR3A
1973 Honda Street
2003 Nissan Sentra "Ole Yeller"
2004 Mini Cooper "MINIPRL"
Hi Jeremy,

A couple pictures from awhile ago as I have been restoring my 1960 TR3A.

It shows the Captured nuts in place. The coating on my under body is a Truck bed liner that comes in clear and you add a single stage color to it to match the car's body color. I did that back in 2007 to protect it while sitting in the cold, wet, damp storage During Wisconsin winters. I am nearing completion and it will be touched up.

Best of luck, Bob

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Aridgerunner Silver Member Bill Bussler
Montoursville, PA, USA   USA
1956 MG MGA 1500 "The A"
1959 Triumph TR3A "The Mistress"
I bought some caged nuts from TRF last year and they sèemed just fine. If anything the nuts were a little loose in the cage. But, that's how it is in my shop. The nuts are loose in that cage too.

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jerburke Jeremy Burke
La Habra, CA, USA   USA
In reply to # 1497420 by bobstr3 Hi Jeremy,

A couple pictures from awhile ago as I have been restoring my 1960 TR3A.

It shows the Captured nuts in place. The coating on my under body is a Truck bed liner that comes in clear and you add a single stage color to it to match the car's body color. I did that back in 2007 to protect it while sitting in the cold, wet, damp storage During Wisconsin winters. I am nearing completion and it will be touched up.

Best of luck, Bob

Thanks Bob!

That helps tremendously.

-Jeremy



1960 Triumph TR3A - Originally purchased new by my Grandfather
1929 Ford Coupe Hot Rod - Family Owned Since 1966
1929 Ford Roadster Pickup Hot Rod - Father/Son Project
2007 Toyota Fj Cruiser - Original Owner

TR3driver Randall Y
Confusion, Los Angeles, USA   USA
Just to be clear, the ones on the car are supposed to be somewhat loose, to help align the mating panels.

The ones in your shop are more up to you.



Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L daily driver
71 Stag LE1473L awaiting engine rebuild
7? Stag awaiting gearbox rebuild

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